Creationist -- No evidence? No Arguments? No Debate.

I scoff at the claim people make concerning the debate between "scientists based on evidence" and creationists often referred to as religious people (which is a wrong term to group these people by the way). During our conversation on Gieryn in class today one of my colleagues made the claim, "well if science is constantly up for debate, what's the difference between creationists’ arguments?" My response: nothing -- and that is why I laugh. One of the things we have failed to mention in our discussions of upstream and downstream work is the human capacity for creation itself. Our methods of measurement, mathematics itself, our ways of finding evidence, our ways of framing and supporting that evidence, and the actual things we investigate (chemical concoctions, etc.) are essentially "made" through the human capacity for creation whether done collectively or individually and with a little word the USA LOVES to use -- autonomous decision making. So wouldn't it be obvious to assume that claims about the world are "made" based on what Kosso has pinpointed -- internal beliefs, previous beliefs about the world, views, morals and standards THROUGH an idea of creationism and/or "science based on evident"? Yes. Why? Because humans, themselves, are very active participants of creationism.


The truth is, God created us in His image so what He does, we essentially have the capacity to do as well -- certainly not on the same scale, rather the essential nature of creation is something we share with Him, like Him...as well as the capacity for free will to make what we want, say what we want, and do what we want (autonomy). So really, the intelligent design is AMAZING because we can only go so far until we come full circle to the reality of things -- everything is up for grabs, in dispute because....


We created it.


We didn't create nature, but the things IN nature, how we use it, how we go about looking at it, instruments used to observe, etc....we created it all. We use/d our capacity for creation using imagination, reason, argument, curiosity and the like to come up with ways of measurement and observation, arguments and ways of finding and using supporting evidence that is enacted synonymously, used together with and in Nature and its principles of existence that God created and established.


There is no difference.